A picture of urine-soaked paper disguised as a request for opinions on old guide books
We’ve been married a little over fifteen years and during that time we’ve lived in twelve different homes. That’s disregarding any stint too brief to make it on to a utilities statement.
There was a time when “packing for a move” meant turfing everything from the wardrobe into the hallway between drinks of an evening and “hiring a removalist” meant skulking to the local minicab window in Clapton at 11:06pm, and negotiating a price to come around like, sort of, nowish to take a bootful of stuff across London. A few months ago, I realised that two kids and three plus years at the same address had added up to some serious minicab fares, and a lot more than one evening’s worth of cheap wine.
My first instinct was to start trawling property sites for a new rental. Then common sense kicked in and I realised we didn’t need a new home – we could completely move out and move back in again any time we liked.
We divided the house into eight sections and we’ve been moving out (and back in again) one section at a time for almost two months. Along the way we’ve uncovered many treasures which are now on display, like the apple-green vespa Æ bought me for my birthday one year:
And his little lego Lincoln, complete with Gettysburg Address:
We also uncovered some treasures we couldn’t keep. Below are two pregnancy tests. The timid, blue line is for P, who still has to be coaxed every step of the way, and the bold, pink line is for T, who still forges straight on, ready or not. But at the end of the day they are also manky, urine-soaked sticks gathering mould and attracting disease. I don’t need to hold on to them any more – the children themselves are evidence enough. But I took this picture:
The clear-out should end in two weeks. That’s how long I have to decide what to do with my old travel guides, so we can have our reward trip to the SEA Aquarium where we’re going for free, because it’s amazing how much you can buy with utility company reward points when you stay in the one place for three years.
I’d been holding on to our old guides “because they’re like time capsules of what the place was like when we first travelled to them” but I’m not sure that argument stacks up as high as all these dog-eared tomes of outdated information I never, ever reference any more, which are threatening to collapse our whole bookshelf.
I could still keep them. It doesn’t have to be here – I could send them back in the next suitcase bound for Brisbane to sit in Æ’s old room with the negatives from our wedding which we still haven’t got around to making prints of yet, fifteen years (and twelve homes) later. Nanny’s probably not getting at all tired of storing stuff we haven’t dealt with.
Or I could, well, toss them. Not like they’re of use to anyone else.
I don’t know. What do other people do?
Ironically, the hardest things for me to part with have been outdated travel guides from our pre-kid, carefree days.
I don’t know what I’d do with the sticks — I’m thinking I’d keep them, documentarian that I am.
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I just recently had my move. And yes, there was a point when I just threw everything in a box and wrap it up without sorting. 😀 Ahhh the things, memories, you find when you are moving. Such small sweet pleasure. 🙂 And the things, memories, you unfornately had to throw away. 😦
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Editing through your collected stuff is tough (I’ve done the old “just bring it I’ll sort it out later” tactic as well). That said, once it’s gone it’s amazing how little I think of these things again sometimes. Easier in small bursts, though (my current aim is to go through and update everything about once each six months so it doesn’t hurt too much – I’m a bandaid-off-slowly girl).
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Brilliant. I love that you kept the pregnancy test sticks, but it probably was time to toss them in the trash.
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Just maybe 🙂
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I often leave mine at a visitors center or hotel when I’m leaving a place. I always figure someone else there may be able to use it. Even if it’s the hotel staff!
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That’s what we should have been doing. I’m semi-interested in organising a trip for that purpose!
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I still have my pregnancy sticks too! Not an expat but I’ve moved times within the same city in a span of 8 years. Does that count? But I have no advice because I’m a bit of a hoarder.
You’re moving?! Where to? Good luck on the new adventure. And I’m with you on that cheap wine tactic. 😉
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That really really counts! You still have to pack and unpack.
Not moving (see comment to Christy below) just having a good clear out, so we did a mock move.
Wine always works well for stressful situations. Although the more breakables you have, the better it is to leave it til the end of the unpacking 🙂
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I need to re-read it again to confirm you are not moving out of SG. Can’t be if P just gone through a P1 registration. I think I am a little slow here. Do you mean you are shifting things to a storage company?
Oh, that urine soaked stick(s) haha! I contemplate to keep it each time but thought it was disgusting. I took pictures too, but you kept them long enough to compare side by side!
I never bought travel books. Maybe because we are not as widely traveled. Besides, we usually borrow from the library. I would think Terri’s idea is good to make a bonus out of selling to collectors. I have many comic books which belongs to Kel, I should find a collector too, which may not be too difficult since comic collectors are aplenty. It’s good to declutter. I am one junk collector when it comes to decluttering. I attach too much sentimental values to all things around that I refuse to throw or donate. It’s certainly a problem in a small apartment.
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No – we’re not moving. But we did a mock-move in order to spring clean. So each week we moved out of one area of the house (including taking all the furniture out) and cleaned it up and put everything back in again.
Most areas we cleared in a day – there were actually a couple of areas in the end that took the weekend before it was totally back together again. So now we don’t have to move 🙂
Kel and comic books! For some reason that makes a lot more sense to me than guide books.
Glad you have pictures of those tests – they’re a special little momento.
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The detailed info on places to stay and currency and admission prices will now be out of date in both the Rough Guides and Lonely Planet guides, so my advice is to give them to a charity shop. Unless they have sentimental value, and then hang on to them for as long as sentiment rules your head. DK visual guides are worth hanging to though, until somebody gives you an up to date one as a gift!
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I saw you mention those over at your blog. Yes, with a visual guide it’s more of a coffee-table book thing to flick through again and again, rather than a reference you use to plan things. Stuff like that definitely gets kept.
As for the rest – I guess it’s the sentiment I’m wrestling with at the moment 🙂
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LOL Er…pretty graphic post.
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Too many piddled-on sticks for your liking? 🙂
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The pee and everything ha ha ha.
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My travel guides are full of notes so I couldn’t bring myself to throw them out. They rest in a box under the house. Maybe I’ll leave them there when we move on. I’m unsure
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The notes do add a personal touch. I wasn’t much of a note-taker (in the books themselves), so apart from the odd scribble here and there it’s pretty much as-is.
Love the idea of just quietly giving the problem to the next person, though… not sure we’d get away with it in our little basement-less apartment. 🙂
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Lol, a very identifiable post! It’s amazing the things we accumulate and refuse to part with. I for sure, would be keeping the guides. 🙂
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Oh no! A vote to keep them just as I was coming around to the idea of getting rid of them! But I can understand where you’re coming from – I feel a bit the same way myself.
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Lol, can’t comment much on the pregnancy tests – not my time yet but I think it’s hilarious that you kept it all these while…:). The books though gets my vote to be tossed out. Or, you can try to see whether the bookshops at bras basah may want to buy it for you and oh, maybe put it together with the many other travel guides that people try to sell to them too…haha….if not, my secret stash is to drop it in the boxes placed in the library – when they are asking for book donations…:)
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Oh! Now you’ve given me an idea. They have a book crossing point at the library. Maybe I could put it on that shelf for anyone to pick up?
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It’s worth a try……;)
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Bronwyn, I hate to tell you how old our guide books were when we finally decided to donate them to the library – who promptly sold them to some collector. 🙂 But since we decided to seriously simplify our lives, we’re thrilled that we did. So I say, Go For It! ~Terri
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There are collectors for these things??
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Oh yeah, you’d be surprised what people will buy! We sold most of our books on Amazon and made a bundle. It helped us finance our RT 🙂 ~T
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That’s RTW.
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Amazon, eh? I wonder if that works for people outside the US/UK/Canada?
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Sorry, not sure about that, but there are lots of companies that compete, so maybe that would work.
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You know I’ll be looking into it!
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I say pitch them. I assume you have lots of pictures to remember your trips by. They become outdated as services move or change hands or just close.
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Well the pictures are actually another story… We had a mishap with some digital pictures… then again, the trip we’re completely missing pictures of was a trip where we didn’t buy a guide book, so that’s not much of an argument anyway.
The facts really become useless in practical terms. I’ve been trying to convince myself it’s “fun” to look back and see what a bus ride from a little-known town in India to another little-known town in India would have cost once upon a time (you know – back before inflation and the takeover of flying cars) but I’m not sure if I need to be the keeper of that information personally. I’m sure the guidebook companies keep their own archives?
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Old travel guides get tossed, eventually. Or donated. Travel books, like Blue Highways, etc. hang around forever. 🙂
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Oh yes – the travel books are definitely different. Same with the phrase books. We’ve kept English/Foreign Language dictionaries, phrase books, and armchair travel books like the one on experimental travel or micro-nations. Also have some maps/atlases. So actually still plenty on the shelf, making my hesitation seem kind of silly really…
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Glad i never did a home pregnancy test….doubt they were available in India at the time anyway!! 🙂 But my outdated guidebooks still clutter my shelves even though I am a compulsive junker. They’ll probably go in the next spring cleaning session. Never buy any these days. I just download whatever i need onto my gadget or print out relevant data.
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Even the die-hard not-my-guide-book otherwise-clutter-averse people are junking them! Their days are obviously done.
Ok, I’m glad I asked now. Helps come to the final decision.
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BTW – that was Granddad, not Grandma
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does this mean I can get rid of your stuff that’s been sitting in my shed for I can’t remember how long waiting for you to come home and sift through it – perhaps next year’s garage sale then will be the time
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Granddad-posing as Grandma: I believe we are down to a shortlist there. As I recall one of the big obstacles to sifting through it is getting through all the other junk lying around it which is not ours 🙂
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God I loved this. Delightfully idiosyncratic and revealing, comforting and touching at the same time. I think expat women who move house annually deserve to wear special badges so everyone can show them our respect (and give them room to be exhausted), as should the mothers of triplets or twins. Moving house with a 2 month old baby was so knackering for me, we never moved since. When we packed up to leave in the truck, we kept only a quarter-garage space of storage, for our beds and books, but I have to admit to being unable to throw out a huge box of pre-email letters as I couldn’t face reading them, yet. I also kept, for a while, the (false) negative malaria test stick and the subsequent positive one that my daughter survived, until she was out of danger. Had it gone another way, I would undoubtedly have used them to beat myself with…
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Oh yes – mothers of triplets and twins. A badge would probably come in handy for some of them!
I completely sympathise with not moving since the 2mo came along – though you’ve made up for it in spades over the last year or so, that’s for sure. And now you’re a great example of how you don’t need any more than what you can truck around with you.
I know what you mean about the letters, though – we have a couple of boxes of those at Nanny’s house, along with books and photo negatives 🙂
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I realised with alarm that it didn’t even occur to me to keep my pregnancy sticks – and how nice it is that you did 🙂 Seven years is probably long enough, but still, nice thought 🙂 I reckon…chuck those travel books xo
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See, you didn’t even miss them at all!
Ok, another vote for toss. You’re obviously a pro and tossing, though – I’ll have to steel myself…
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It’s true 🙂
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Toss! It can be hard though. I have moved a ridiculous amount of times, even more than you, and my once massive lonely planet collection came along for the ride for a long time. We just don’t have the room any more though (2 bedroom apartment) so they went at our last move. We are currently tossing so much stuff due to our impending move overseas and needing to fit everything into 1/3 of a single garage. It feels good! I love being able to get rid of even more stuff. I find it quite addictive.
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It is a bit addictive – you can really get into the swing of it. Good you’re starting out ahead of time, too – doing it of an evening between drinks of wine is not really an option once you’ve got a whole household to sort out. You might outdo yourself on the 1/3 of a garage idea at this rate?
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Oh shoot! Was I supposed to keep my pregnancy tests? rotfl. You really do some serious travelling around.
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YOU THREW OUT YOUR PREGNANCY TESTS?? You could have been famous! A medical marvel! Now where’s your proof? 🙂
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Aw, used to be like that. I always loved to save things that reminded me of wonderful times (I did consider keeping the pregnancy test but my OCD took over there and made me toss it). Our apartment back home is FULL of… Well, crap. When we moved to our teeny tiny home in Singapore with one extra family member, we only packed the essentials, naturally. And I can’t remember for the life of me what I left behind. Through the years I have gotten myself used to tossing things I have no use for, and although it hurt in the beginning, it’s become quite therapeutic for me (my husband strategically hides his precious garbage in places too high for me to reach).
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It’s amazing how little you miss things sometimes. I’ve noticed the number of things we’ve tossed and just haven’t had any need to replace.
And it does get easier with time. I think you also learn from mistakes – you learn that no, you really won’t start to use that this year, honestly, so you might as well toss it. You also learn that when you do accidentally get rid of something you could later use, it’s not actually that big a deal.
Hm. This is a good thought – I probably wouldn’t miss them much, you know…
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You won’t miss them. Now you look at them and you worry you might miss them, but you won’t. The act of chucking them can be hard, but you won’t even look back once they’re out. I’ve gotten so good at this I offer people my “cleaning” services with promises that their lives will be forever changed (preferably for the better).
Let me know if you need help. I’m free next week 🙂
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You haven’t started charging as a professional organiser, have you? Definitely a good freelance business opportunity with someone of your character…
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Nah, I do it for the thrill! But that is a good idea for a business. I’ll put it down on my things-I-can-do-when-baby-starts-preschool list.
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It would be a good one. You could pick up a small number of clients for school hours, keeping it manageable. With the amount of moving in and out, and the small apartments etc I’m sure you’d get enough to keep you ticking along at a certain pace without too much trouble.
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I kept my pregnancy tests too! 😃 I don’t think I’ll throw them away for a while, but they are in zip lock biggies so as no pee gets anywhere in accident haha. Moving is no fun, but you do find some fun things along the way!
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A zip lock bag would have been good (now you tell me 🙂 ) and honestly, they’re not taking up that much room or anything. Now sure, you can bury yourself in thousands of things which “don’t take up that much room” individually, but on the other hand you’re allowed to keep one or two. Right?
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Haha, Absolutely! Especially things as important as peed on sticks of life! 😃
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Exactly! Exactly. 🙂
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I really enjoyed tis post. TOSS THE BOOKS. It’s all online although I do love books. Moving IN & OUT seems cumbersome. What are you searching for? A baby?
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Ha! From experience, babies don’t take so much searching. They are able to advertise their presence rather effectively. 🙂
It was good to move in and out though. We were also able to clean behind things and do some basic maintenance tasks we’d been putting off.
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You are highly organized !!! 🌷
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That is the first time anyone’s ever said that to me. Bear in mind I tend to blog more about problems I have to struggle with, rather than things I do automatically and without thinking 🙂
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You seem like a detailed organized person to me?? After they vacation entertainment blog? Come on?? 😉
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All hard won 🙂
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Ask if anyone is interested in them (unlikely), then throw them all out. In the recycling bin of course.
Having lived overseas, I got over the need to own and have books. Almost everything I read is from the library now, except for transport and planning books – yes I’m a nerd – and a handful of books such as those by Haruki Murakami which I’ll actually re-read.
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The library is great. We go on average once every ten days or so and I can’t tell you how many more books we’d buy if we didn’t do that. Æ has a problem because he always wants to read these obscure books the library doesn’t have – but the e-book format has become more popular and I’ve noticed it’s particularly popular for textbooks and reference books so that’s all good.
We could definitely work harder on cutting down our intake, though. I asked Æ to be ruthless with his bookshelf this time and he managed to part with…. one. It’s not really a zero-sum equation.
Ok, one vote for toss them (unless someone’s interested).
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I love having real books to read, but real guide books are a thing of the past. They are too heavy and become outdated too quickly. I am continually telling my mom (who literally brought a full carry on bag full of guide books when she came to visit) that she is breaking her back for something the internet can tell her. But then I guess it’s her back and her choice. 🙂 good luck on the remaining spaces!
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Wow. A carry-on bag full. That is way more guide books than I ever took around. And yes! Internet! Or in a pinch you can sometimes also ask other people 😉 .
The guide books can sometimes be a good safety blanket, and they have their uses, but more and more now the info is better delivered in other ways. And if you want it in guide book form and without internet access, you can do e-books as well. It’s not that hard to keep your battery alive til the next power point in most circumstances.
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Well, that’s unique! I’d try that but I think I’d have to move everything into the garage and that might be a catastrophe.
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We divided the house up so each section could be moved into the living room and then everything put right again in less than a day. Otherwise, yes, it would have been a catastrophe!
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I have a giant bookcase filled with used and some sadly unused guidebooks. I need to toss them, I guess. However, about 3 years ago, we started leaving the guidebooks behind when we left the country we were in. We felt like another traveler may be able to use it and it could go on living instead of reminiscing with the other lonely guidebooks on the shelf.
This paid off in good karma for us last year because after I lost my Greece guidebook on the ferry between Turkey/Greece, I found a Greece guidebook in the hostel in Athens that someone left.
You probably need to recycle them. And I am proud of you for getting ride of the pregnancy tests.
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Leaving them behind is an excellent idea. In fact, on our trip to Thailand we didn’t take a guide book and were able to leaf through some discarded copies at the bookshelf at the resort restaurant in Krabi. (They had a bookshelf for all sorts of left-behind books, including fiction, travel guides, etc.)
So ok – new plan! We clearly need to GO TO ALL THOSE PLACES AGAIN so we can leave our guide books behind! That’s the best idea I’ve heard yet!
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Great idea. You should also hurry before those guidebooks are out of date.
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The title definitely grabbed my attention! I didn’t hold onto any of pregnancy test sticks, probably because the first one I was so mortified and then didn’t want my folks to see it (I was an unmarried teen), the second one I didn’t take a home test, the third one I didn’t take a home test, and the 4th one I was so surprised that I was pregnant as it was completely unplanned I threw the stick at my husband who asked what it was – when I explained it he was upset I had thrown a urine soaked stick at him that he immediately tossed it in the trash!
Great job on the moving out / moving in! That’s brilliant!
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You’re at the opposite end of the pregnancy test spectrum from me! But see, it all ends up the same eventually.
The moving in/out thing has really worked well. (Won’t say I’m not glad we’re nearly finished, though…)
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Funny, I took pictures of the tests, then promptly threw then away. With my son I actually have a picture of the 2nd and 3rd test. The 1st one got thrown out because the line was so pale, I thought it was defective! When the 2nd one was pale again, I checked the instructions and that’s how I knew what it ment. Just to be sure it bought one of those expensive digital ones that say “pregnant” or “not pregnant”.
As for guide books, I’m not a good example. I can’t bear to throw them out. I still have my 1999 Foders Spain, from my study abroad in college. They are all displayed in a bookshelf in my living room. I think it says “I’ve traveled here! Check out where I’ve been! See better pictures than could take of the place!”
Good luck!
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See that does appeal to me – having them all there to make me look worldly and such. Also, yes to the pictures. I guess I’m just questioning whether that’s enough if I’m in the position of needing to buy more furniture just to display them on? If I had the room anyway, I’d probably just keep them no problem.
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Phew! It seems I’m not as odd as I feared (or we’re both odd, but I’m fine with that). I’ve hung onto urine-soaked pregnancy tests far longer than I should too. I think because of the baby that showed up so vividly on the test, but then whose heartbeat didn’t show up at all on the scan. That stick was all I had. But then it occurred to me that it was covered in wee and so with much guilt I binned it. It was years later though. Yuk, right?
I’ve also not got round to printing off my wedding photos. But I’m only 10 years overdue on that one, so can relax a bit.
Your method sounds like an ideal way to move though. After 23 years in the same house I dread to think how long it would take to sift through the detritus…or who could take care of the stuff we don’t want to deal with. (Especially as this would probably include children!)
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Let’s go with “not as odd as you feared” 🙂 . Ten years and no wedding pics? Pff. You’d practically be OCD if you got to them soon. Don’t want to rush these things…
It was definitely manageable to divide the house up. Each section was less than a day’s work.
Pregnancy tests – yes, when the tests are all you have, it’s a bit different parting with them.
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Ah yes, guide books. They are friends sitting on the shelf, representing the trip completed; surely you won’t throw the memory away? And they whisper “Hey, let’s go again. You missed a page.” Seductive little buggers.
I picked up the habit of leaving them in my last destination in the country/region before departing…just in time to stop buying them in the first place.
No advice in there, sorry. Thanks for sharing the pee sticks though! Now they belong to the ether (so the physicalities can probably go).
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Yes! I think that’s it, too. Being able to flick through and see what we missed.
Then again, there’s the internet for that…
Not buying them in the first place seems like an excellent idea for a lot of destinations and I am a big fan of trying for that in the future.
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Bronwyn brace yourself for the tale of woe of our guidebooks. We travel carry on only. This includes cycling trips where bike shoes pedals and helmets come along. To meet the weight requirements every ounce needs to be accounted for. so we tear out the pages of a guidebook that we will need and make a shortened version. What is leftover is guidebook Armageddon. We put the traumatized books out of their misery into recycling.
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This is probably the most convincing argument for a cycling holiday you’ve ever given me. And that includes those incredible photos!
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Excellent! Happy to inspire more cycling. 🙂
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How do you decide which bits to hold onto for the trip, though? Does this involve having… a travel plan? Following the plan?
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Yes this would involve a plan. 🙂
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Well you know I love planning – that bit’s not the problem – and I suppose I do often deviate from the plan in ways that don’t depend on the use of a guide book, so it could work.
When we went to Japan, I printed out info for everyone for each stop and as we finished up at each stop the kids got more colouring paper. So I think in future (and even after the kids grow out of colouring) it’s not a bad idea to only take what you need to take in printed form and then not hold onto to it after you’ve finished. Which practice will probably make the present collection look a bit sad and not at all comprehensive.
Hm. Ok. Thanks.
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I just unboxed an old stack of travel guides. Any use in a 1997 India Lonely Planet? No, but I don’t think I could bear to throw that one away. Now, of the two Malaysia guides (one circa 2000 and one circa 2009), I should probably cut one. But I probably won’t.
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Glad to hear I’m not the only one.
But yeah – notice how there’s two SE Asia guides there? On top of separate books for Cambodia, Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore…? Not exactly information efficient, especially considering I get most of my info off the internet these days.
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There must be some artsy, crafty thing that can be done with them. Isn’t this exactly the reason you’re on Pintarest? Certainly there is a board on creative re-use of old guidebooks, right?
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Do you know I just got home and was reading through the comments and got caught up with all these people talking about their pregnancy tests and- I got confused for a moment, that’s all.
I am thinking of starting a used pregnancy test craft group on pinterest, though.
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